PLRA: why reroute?

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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby urbaindk » April 30th, 2012, 3:41 pm

Di_bear wrote:[
I strongly suggest showing up to a trail day so you can give your input on future projects and hopefully add some great technical elements in the process.


Don't wait for a trail day, by then it will be too late as the day's plans will already be largely in place. Get organized at the ground level. Get out to your chapter meetings and get involved. Get on the ground with the trail coordinator as they lay out new lines, and get your input in then. Get involved. Don't just *beep* about it on the internet.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Di_bear » April 30th, 2012, 3:47 pm

urbaindk wrote:Take the new Stony reroute. It's fine don't get me wrong, but it is rather flat and boring. If it undulated up and down more so you could get a little pump going it would be a lot more fun and I wouldn't miss the rocky climb it replaced quite as much.


Actually, this is a really good idea. Wish one of us had thought about it when we were building the reroute. ;-)
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby urbaindk » April 30th, 2012, 3:51 pm

Di_bear wrote:
urbaindk wrote:Take the new Stony reroute. It's fine don't get me wrong, but it is rather flat and boring. If it undulated up and down more so you could get a little pump going it would be a lot more fun and I wouldn't miss the rocky climb it replaced quite as much.


Actually, this is a really good idea. Wish one of us had thought about it when we were building the reroute. ;-)



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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Di_bear » April 30th, 2012, 3:51 pm

c0nsumer wrote:The full Trail Construction and Maintenance Notebook can be found here.


Holy crap, Steve! I've been looking for this! Thank you! :-D
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby black2003ss » April 30th, 2012, 8:24 pm

Man. I have been out of town on business and then took a 3day weekend to go turkey hunting. I missed the PLRA TT as a result. I am going to have to get out to PLRA before leaving for NY and Denver on Wednesday, it sounds like there are some really exciting things happening out there.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Mack » April 30th, 2012, 8:49 pm

black2003ss wrote:Man. I have been out of town on business and then took a 3day weekend to go turkey hunting. I missed the PLRA TT as a result. I am going to have to get out to PLRA before leaving for NY and Denver on Wednesday, it sounds like there are some really exciting things happening out there.


Forget the riding bs. How was the Turkey hunt. We don't eat cage bird, but man do we love us some wild Turkey
it's hard to imagine they are the same bird. Mmmm good. I also like Wild Turkey the beverage. :D
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby black2003ss » April 30th, 2012, 10:53 pm

No turkey this go around. Got my bird last year in the first hour. This year, the warmer weather has seemed to through everything out of whack. I'll get one more go around next weekend. Hey, it's hunting, not shooting. :lol:
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby iamkickstand » May 1st, 2012, 8:10 am

they see me re-routing, they hating, all because I'm re-routing dirty!


I hate the dumbing down of the trails, but if you have to repair/re-route to maintain the trail and keep it open then so be it, that climb was brutal (if it's the one I am thinking of), I hate to see it re-routed and taken out because of the difficulty (**edit** Not saying it was rerouted because it was too difficult, but enjoyed that difficult climb**), but what has to be done has to be done.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby utabintarbo » May 1st, 2012, 9:23 am

iamkickstand wrote:I hate the dumbing down of the trails, but if you have to repair/re-route to maintain the trail and keep it open then so be it, that climb was brutal (if it's the one I am thinking of), I hate to see it re-routed and taken out because of the difficulty (**edit** Not saying it was rerouted because it was too difficult, but enjoyed that difficult climb**), but what has to be done has to be done.


We aren't trying to "dumb down" trails. It just so happens that eroded, unsustainable trail sections are difficult. If dealing with the eroded and unsustainable parts of a trail render it less difficult in the perceptions of some, that is merely a side-effect. We may all lament the loss of the trail section we knew and loved, but the new trail section will likely be around a lot longer to know and love.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby iamkickstand » May 1st, 2012, 9:59 am

utabintarbo wrote:
iamkickstand wrote:I hate the dumbing down of the trails, but if you have to repair/re-route to maintain the trail and keep it open then so be it, that climb was brutal (if it's the one I am thinking of), I hate to see it re-routed and taken out because of the difficulty (**edit** Not saying it was rerouted because it was too difficult, but enjoyed that difficult climb**), but what has to be done has to be done.


We aren't trying to "dumb down" trails. It just so happens that eroded, unsustainable trail sections are difficult. If dealing with the eroded and unsustainable parts of a trail render it less difficult in the perceptions of some, that is merely a side-effect. We may all lament the loss of the trail section we knew and loved, but the new trail section will likely be around a lot longer to know and love.

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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Mack » May 1st, 2012, 11:38 am

black2003ss wrote:No turkey this go around. Got my bird last year in the first hour. This year, the warmer weather has seemed to through everything out of whack. I'll get one more go around next weekend. Hey, it's hunting, not shooting. :lol:


If it was easy everyone would do it. We didn't see or hear a bird till the 3rd morning. Then all he!! broke loose. It
was like someone turned the Turkey faucet on, birds were pouring in from all directions. Been hunting Turkeys a
long time never had anything like that happen before. I could have ended that hunt without harvesting a bird and it
still would have been my best Turkey hunt yet. As it was I harvested a nice tom, not the big guy we have been
keeping tabs on, but what an awesome hunt. For me its all about the hunt. I like taking game, but if I don't I can still have a great hunt.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby black2003ss » May 1st, 2012, 12:01 pm

Amen Paul. I feel the same way. We will gladly settle for a tasty Jake to toss in the deep fryer just as easily as a big Tom with a nice beard and if we don't get anything, it was time spent in the woods with my father.
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Roy » May 2nd, 2012, 8:28 am

I think somebody has been drinking to much Wild Turkey!
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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby Apps » May 2nd, 2012, 9:32 am

Di_bear wrote:I strongly suggest showing up to a trail day so you can give your input on future projects and hopefully add some great technical elements in the process.



Most definitely THIS. Sometimes a TC may not have a technical background so they may not see a minor change that could add something to the trail. I personally like more freeride/DH type stuff so I look for ways to add some of those elements when re-routing trails and try and incorporate some of the natural terrain to achieve that when I can. Sometimes it just takes a person pointing out what can be done to the TC. I'm not saying that they are going to always do what you suggest but at least your voice is heard and they can tell you why they may not be able to do it too. Most TC's aren't dictators, it's everyone's trail and they will try to accomodate input as much as they can. We hate to take out signature areas too but sometimes it's unavoidable.

As a TC, we have responsibilites to land managers, the MMBA, and the users so we have to balance that. We try to keep thing in character for a trail as well...you won't find people putting in the uphill log piles that we just put in the Expert Loop at Novi out on the the Blue Loop at ILRA. Sometimes the scope of the change is also limited by land managers. ("Just do the minimum to fix it" or "Have At It") DNR parks are a little harder to get big changes approved due to park Master plans, Moritoriums, and even something as simple as changing mileage causes signage issues! The best way to make sure your favorite trail stays fun is to be involved...attend the 4 chapter meetings a year and get out on the trail days....

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Re: PLRA: why reroute?

Postby black2003ss » May 2nd, 2012, 11:37 pm

I made it out to PLRA tonight! And I actually like the re-route at the end. The trail was in the best shape I have EVER seen it. Needless to say, with my extensive recent travel and lack of seat time, I was not in such great shape and PLRA was happy to remind me as such. But man, no wash outs, no downed trees, just the usual small sandy sections, roots, and rocks, the way I think it should be. It's still a tought trail, but I think that new re-route will be there for years to come, and it's still the same vertical climb!
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