Custer=Best Conditon Ever! REASON?-->>>

[awfulkanawful]

If you live at a trail where you don't have the scourge of equestrians and think it isn't your problem, think again. The right to ride bill is being pushed hard by a militant and hateful group of self entitled dirtbags who will take great pleasure in destroying your trails. Just one month into a mercifully early riding season and Fort Custer is in the best shape I've seen it in over 20 YEARS OF RIDING OUT THERE!!!! While their was some evidence of some horsey knuckleheads impinging on OUR trails on the green, for the most part, I was able to enjoy a full loop of green and red unfettered by horse *beep*, and more importantly; NO ground up, churned up, battered, sandy, pock-ridden, tilled, fastly eroding, slowed, and abused by the 1 ton rototillers who are piloted by knaves, snarks, grumpkins,and finks. It was pure bliss riding on a proper MOUNTAINBIKING TRAIL. If you are amused, unalarmed, and "eating popcorn" at this post, you're an idiot and a heel. Call your reps, write your reps, email your reps, go visit your reps, lay down in your reps driveway and do not, do not, do not, let this piece of horrible legislation allow the horse wolfs of the SS to entrench themselves at the table of power in Lansing with a permanent seat that will never stop groveling, sniveling, cheating, bribing, whoring, and pandering to chisel away at the trails we build and we maintain for not only us, but for runners, hikers, and families too....those who come to act as stewards, rather than cowardly, spoiled, non-invested, destructive, usurpers.

Word around the campfire is the trail that was built for the equestrians at taxpayers expense because they are too useless to do anything for themselves at Custer has already fallen into a state of disrepair....huh, imagine that?....They are just waiting for Right to Ride so they can go back to their normal miscreant ways of treading upon us. I for one, believe that the solidarity of our fine community will overcome and give them the rude awekening they've had coming for many years now.

[irishpitbull]

Honestly I think we are long lost brothers. Your posts tell the dark truth of what the horses are going to do to our trails. Poto will be a beach, island lake will sand pit, and Pontiac unpassable. Coming from a state where horses rule the trails, I know it's gonna pretty much kill the sport here. With the limited power of the DNR they wont be able to enforce trail separation, no matter if the trails is exclusive to MTB or not.

I was at my trail runners meeting at Run Fit in northville, they were shocked when I told them of the bill. None of them knew, so now there is another group with ove 500 members will start contacting the Reps.

Has the MMBA contacted the running clubs? There are thousands of runners who are oblivious to the bill, we need to tap into that.

[awfulkanawful]

My man! That is fantastic work, my friend. A ground swell of opposition by multiple user groups will be most impossible to deny. Too bad the hikers are such nebish, national audubon society field gear donning, nervous nelly, nacning about nazi's when it comes to trail use. I have been doing a little behind the scenes power brokering myself with friends in high places....assymetrical warfare (metaphorically speaking of course....I don't even condone confrotation on the trails...kill 'em with kindness I say), and a never ending seige on those reps mentioned on the site here. Long lost brothers indeed....no way I could ever do the math to be an engineer, let alone ivy league...

[Sortaslow]

Honestly I think we are long lost brothers. Your posts tell the dark truth of what the horses are going to do to our trails. Poto will be a beach, island lake will sand pit, and Pontiac unpassable. Coming from a state where horses rule the trails, I know it's gonna pretty much kill the sport here. With the limited power of the DNR they wont be able to enforce trail separation, no matter if the trails is exclusive to MTB or not.

I was at my trail runners meeting at Run Fit in northville, they were shocked when I told them of the bill. None of them knew, so now there is another group with ove 500 members will start contacting the Reps.

Has the MMBA contacted the running clubs? There are thousands of runners who are oblivious to the bill, we need to tap into that.

You /we are the mmba.

[irishpitbull]

Honestly I think we are long lost brothers. Your posts tell the dark truth of what the horses are going to do to our trails. Poto will be a beach, island lake will sand pit, and Pontiac unpassable. Coming from a state where horses rule the trails, I know it's gonna pretty much kill the sport here. With the limited power of the DNR they wont be able to enforce trail separation, no matter if the trails is exclusive to MTB or not.

I was at my trail runners meeting at Run Fit in northville, they were shocked when I told them of the bill. None of them knew, so now there is another group with ove 500 members will start contacting the Reps.

Has the MMBA contacted the running clubs? There are thousands of runners who are oblivious to the bill, we need to tap into that.

You /we are the mmba.

Has anyone contacted runner groups? you would think management would be ontop of such a thing.

[Sortaslow]

Honestly I think we are long lost brothers. Your posts tell the dark truth of what the horses are going to do to our trails. Poto will be a beach, island lake will sand pit, and Pontiac unpassable. Coming from a state where horses rule the trails, I know it's gonna pretty much kill the sport here. With the limited power of the DNR they wont be able to enforce trail separation, no matter if the trails is exclusive to MTB or not.

I was at my trail runners meeting at Run Fit in northville, they were shocked when I told them of the bill. None of them knew, so now there is another group with ove 500 members will start contacting the Reps.

Has the MMBA contacted the running clubs? There are thousands of runners who are oblivious to the bill, we need to tap into that.

You /we are the mmba.

Has anyone contacted runner groups? you would think management would be ontop of such a thing.

You did. Now maybe that group will contact other groups and get their own ball rolling and so on and so on.
Googling cross country running Michigan doesn't provide a good lead into what/who the organized groups are. Can you help out with the different club names?

[Di_bear]

Has the MMBA contacted the running clubs?

Didn't think about, but EXCELLENT idea. I'm impressed with your resourcefulness.

Thank you for volunteering to contact other user groups such as runners, dog mushers, etc, especially since I just don't have the time to do this (I've already got a long list of MMBA things to do and am currently scheduling for 2014). I look forward to hearing more about your endeavor! Good luck! ...and thank you very much for your advocacy work.

[Critter7r]

If you live at a trail where you don't have the scourge of equestrians and think it isn't your problem, think again. The right to ride bill is being pushed hard by a militant and hateful group of self entitled dirtbags who will take great pleasure in destroying your trails. Just one month into a mercifully early riding season and Fort Custer is in the best shape I've seen it in over 20 YEARS OF RIDING OUT THERE!!!! While their was some evidence of some horsey knuckleheads impinging on OUR trails on the green, for the most part, I was able to enjoy a full loop of green and red unfettered by horse *beep*, and more importantly; NO ground up, churned up, battered, sandy, pock-ridden, tilled, fastly eroding, slowed, and abused by the 1 ton rototillers who are piloted by knaves, snarks, grumpkins,and finks. It was pure bliss riding on a proper MOUNTAINBIKING TRAIL. If you are amused, unalarmed, and "eating popcorn" at this post, you're an idiot and a heel. Call your reps, write your reps, email your reps, go visit your reps, lay down in your reps driveway and do not, do not, do not, let this piece of horrible legislation allow the horse wolfs of the SS to entrench themselves at the table of power in Lansing with a permanent seat that will never stop groveling, sniveling, cheating, bribing, whoring, and pandering to chisel away at the trails we build and we maintain for not only us, but for runners, hikers, and families too....those who come to act as stewards, rather than cowardly, spoiled, non-invested, destructive, usurpers.

Word around the campfire is the trail that was built for the equestrians at taxpayers expense because they are too useless to do anything for themselves at Custer has already fallen into a state of disrepair....huh, imagine that?....They are just waiting for Right to Ride so they can go back to their normal miscreant ways of treading upon us. I for one, believe that the solidarity of our fine community will overcome and give them the rude awekening they've had coming for many years now.

Although I agree with your sentiment, name-calling will get us nowhere, and will likely backfire as the equestrians point to your post as representative of "how much hate the MMBA members have for horses" and how we'll "go to any length to paint equestrians in a bad way", etc etc, in order to rally their troops.

[Scotty]

Although I agree with your sentiment, name-calling will get us nowhere, and will likely backfire as the equestrians point to your post as representative of "how much hate the MMBA members have for horses" and how we'll "go to any length to paint equestrians in a bad way", etc etc, in order to rally their troops.

It doesn't matter what anybody says about them on the Internet. If there isn't an unkind word anywhere in the world they'll just make something up. The people pushing this are unscrupulous, selfish, evil minded people. We should call them what they are and drop the Kubaya BS.

I know its the IMBA attitude to smile and hug it out with people who would take away our rights, and that might be great for trail building seminars and power point presentations. But this a political fight and if we act like that they'll steamroll us.

[awfulkanawful]

If you live at a trail where you don't have the scourge of equestrians and think it isn't your problem, think again. The right to ride bill is being pushed hard by a militant and hateful group of self entitled dirtbags who will take great pleasure in destroying your trails. Just one month into a mercifully early riding season and Fort Custer is in the best shape I've seen it in over 20 YEARS OF RIDING OUT THERE!!!! While their was some evidence of some horsey knuckleheads impinging on OUR trails on the green, for the most part, I was able to enjoy a full loop of green and red unfettered by horse , and more importantly; NO ground up, churned up, battered, sandy, pock-ridden, tilled, fastly eroding, slowed, and abused by the 1 ton rototillers who are piloted by knaves, snarks, grumpkins,and finks. It was pure bliss riding on a proper MOUNTAINBIKING TRAIL. If you are amused, unalarmed, and "eating popcorn" at this post, you're an idiot and a heel. Call your reps, write your reps, email your reps, go visit your reps, lay down in your reps driveway and do not, do not, do not, let this piece of horrible legislation allow the horse wolfs of the SS to entrench themselves at the table of power in Lansing with a permanent seat that will never stop groveling, sniveling, cheating, bribing, whoring, and pandering to chisel away at the trails we build and we maintain for not only us, but for runners, hikers, and families too....those who come to act as stewards, rather than cowardly, spoiled, non-invested, destructive, usurpers.

Word around the campfire is the trail that was built for the equestrians at taxpayers expense because they are too useless to do anything for themselves at Custer has already fallen into a state of disrepair....huh, imagine that?....They are just waiting for Right to Ride so they can go back to their normal miscreant ways of treading upon us. I for one, believe that the solidarity of our fine community will overcome and give them the rude awekening they've had coming for many years now.

Although I agree with your sentiment, name-calling will get us nowhere, and will likely backfire as the equestrians point to your post as representative of "how much hate the MMBA members have for horses" and how we'll "go to any length to paint equestrians in a bad way", etc etc, in order to rally their troops.

We tried being nice with these people. We offered to build them their trails. We've shared, we've put up with them for decades only to be abused, belittled, and berated. No matter what we offered it was never enough and they were never willing to compromise in the least. Now they are attempting to go above everybody else's heads, *beep* all costs to state funding and other user groups. The words I've used here to describe them are too kind and generous. They are close to destroying moutainbiking in our state once and for all, and I won't stand for it and I hope other user groups become insane with anger over the land grab these *beep* are attempting to foist on the entire state. I've said that I feel truly terrible about having such bitter anger towards my fellow man, but due to their actions I and many at Fort Custer have had to suffer, they are unworthy of respect or consideration in this forum. I hope they are dealt a crushing defeat in voting and soundly thrashed and exposed in the press for their underhanded, loutish, and craven behavior.

[Scotty]

Sometimes you don't know what you have until someone takes it away!

[Critter7r]

We tried being nice with these people. We offered to build them their trails. We've shared, we've put up with them for decades only to be abused, belittled, and berated. No matter what we offered it was never enough and they were never willing to compromise in the least. Now they are attempting to go above everybody else's heads, *beep* all costs to state funding and other user groups. The words I've used here to describe them are too kind and generous. They are close to destroying moutainbiking in our state once and for all, and I won't stand for it and I hope other user groups become insane with anger over the land grab these *beep* are attempting to foist on the entire state. I've said that I feel truly terrible about having such bitter anger towards my fellow man, but due to their actions I and many at Fort Custer have had to suffer, they are unworthy of respect or consideration in this forum. I hope they are dealt a crushing defeat in voting and soundly thrashed and exposed in the press for their underhanded, loutish, and craven behavior.

I felt much more passion, less hostility and less dismissive of this post than the one where you called them "... groveling, sniveling, cheating, bribing, whoring, and pandering ... knaves, snarks, grumpkins and finks", and I think outsiders would, too. I think when one has a passionate statement to make, and then starts calling others names, one loses the empathy and compassion of others that are of a similar mindset but not necessarily followers of the same activity.

[awfulkanawful]

I felt much more passion, less hostility and less dismissive of this post than the one where you called them "... groveling, sniveling, cheating, bribing, whoring, and pandering ... knaves, snarks, grumpkins and finks", and I think outsiders would, too. I think when one has a passionate statement to make, and then starts calling others names, one loses the empathy and compassion of others that are of a similar mindset but not necessarily followers of the same activity.[/quote]

I was kinda hoping that all the hyperbole would have more of a comic/entertaining effect. The horsi see the splitting of trails at Custer as a loss, not a compromise. Hence, they have declared war on all trails in our great state of massively awesome trail gnarness. How is one to empathize with such selfishness? How do they not understand what bogarting buzzkill sketchmasters they are?! It's beyond description...any foul term I could possibly conjure would not measure. I have always been incredibly polite to them on the trail, even when it hasn't been returned...and even though I was seething inside when encountering them destroying yet another SWMMBA constructed masterpiece, I always bit my tongue and took the high road. Perhaps this isn't the place to lash out, but they have rallied there troops and are AGAIN, on the offensive....this time for a position of unchecked power. Can you really imagine the consequences? I can tolerate no more from them and I want our ENTIRE community to give 'em holy *beep* in return this time around. I want any mention of an "Equine Horse Council Subcommitte" to leave such a rancid taste in any politicians mouth that they will never again consider such inanity. UNLESS, there is a "Mountainbiking Council Subcommitee" who must approve any move the horsi make. Finally, I heartily condone our peeps on the trails to remain calm, polite, and helpful stewards and model....well, semi-model at least, citizens on the trails to all.