Equestrian "Right to Ride" Bills

[Di_bear]

I'm just curious... Why can this 'right to ride' bill be repealed? what would it take?
Obviously it is being abused, these people are *beep* alot of people off, bikers, hikers, hunters...
I'm just sick of debating about horse people, they've proven to not play nice so lets take our trails and go home (so to speak).
and if this has been addressed earlier I apologize... I came to class late and just wanted to vent

Well, the right to ride bill has been more beneficial to us in the sense that state parks and recreation areas are automatically off-limits to horses. Of course, the issue is the same as it always has been: certain parks won't enforce the current laws or MOUs.

[Critter7r]

Just some of the general laws and rules related to horse use on state land
http://www.state.mi.us/orr/emi/admincode.asp?AdminCode=Single&Admin_Num=29900921&Dpt=NR&RngHigh=

R 299.922 Unlawful acts generally.
Rule 22. On lands owned or under the control of the department, it is
unlawful for a person or persons to do any of the following:..............
(b) To dispose of refuse, rubbish, trash, or garbage not resulting from the
use of state-owned lands in receptacles provided on state-owned lands.....
(v) To ride or lead a horse, pack animal, or other riding animal, or any
animal-driven vehicle on any area, except on roads that are open to the use
of motor vehicles, trails, bridle paths, and campgrounds designated for such
use by the department and on state forest lands not posted closed to such
use or entry.

R 299.927 State parks and recreation areas; unlawful acts.
Rule 27. In addition to the unlawful acts specified in R 299.922, in
state parks and state recreation areas, it is unlawful for a person or
persons to do any of the following:......
(l) To ride, permit, or allow a horse or other riding animal in any
area, except for a designated bridle trail or horseperson's campground, or
when in compliance with a permit issued for a field dog trial.

But it says nothing about cleaning up after their animals.

It falls under this.

(b) To dispose of refuse, rubbish, trash, or garbage not resulting from the
use of state-owned lands in receptacles provided on state-owned lands.....

I would say it does cause there *beep* was not made by using the state land it was made by feeding them stuff on private land.

It's kind of a moot point, don't you think? The rule is that the horse shouldn't have been on the land to begin with (see above where it is specifically prohibited). The law doesn't address cleaning up after it, because it doesn't allow it to be there in the first place.

[dennismurphy]

Shoegazing (also known as shoegaze) is a subgenre of alternative rock that emerged from the United Kingdom in the late 1980s. It lasted there until the mid 1990s, with a critical zenith reached in 1990 and 1991. The British music press—particularly NME and Melody Maker—named this style shoegazing because the musicians in these bands stood relatively still during live performances in a detached, introspective, non-confrontational state, hence the idea that they were gazing at their shoes.[1] The heavy use of effects pedals also contributed to the image of performers looking down at their feet (shoegazing) during concerts.

The shoegazing sound is typified by significant use of guitar effects, and indistinguishable vocal melodies that blended into the creative noise of the guitars.[1] A lump description given to shoegazing and other affiliated bands in London in the early 1990s was The Scene That Celebrates Itself. In the 1990s, shoegazing groups were pushed aside by the American grunge movement, forcing the relatively unknown bands to break up or reinvent their style altogether.[1] Recent times have seen a renewed interest in the genre among "nu-gaze" bands.

Although still not sure how it fits here ?!?!?

obscure ScatSilvers reference apparently

Wiki cites Cocteau Twins as a "shoegazer" band. I have three of their albums but never saw them live so I don't know if they performed "relatively still during live performances in a detached, introspective, non-confrontational state, hence the idea that they were gazing at their shoes" or not

[Scotty]

Wiki cites Cocteau Twins as a "shoegazer" band. I have three of their albums but never saw them live so I don't know if they performed "relatively still during live performances in a detached, introspective, non-confrontational state, hence the idea that they were gazing at their shoes" or not

I saw them live several times. They indeed did not move much while on stage. And neither did their drum machine (two guitars, a singer and a reel to reel tape player). You could probably get away with calling them Proto-Shoegazer, though. As they were around long before the label was created. Sort of like calling The Stooges or The Ramones "punk," when the term didn't really appear until years later.

Other great shoegazer bands include "Lush" and the king of them all, "My Bloody Valentine."

What makes no sense, however, is Scat's reference to "birkenstock wearin' shoegazer vegetarian." That makes little sense. "Shoegazers" or fans of the shoegazer genre were usually far removed from (or hostile to) the hippie asthetic that included birks. They were more likely to be taken by the casual observer as just another punk or grunge kid. Probably most likely back in the day to be wearing Docs or a pair of All Stars. Also, no more likely to be vegetarian than any other youngins.

[scat silvurz]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned my favorite shoegaze band........Ride

Kinda appropriate for a bicycle forum...now that was shoegaze when it actually meant something to stare at yer shoes!

[eatworksleepdie]

shoegaze.. swervedriver was an amazing shoegaze band.. i saw my bloody valentine, swervedriver, and poster children play at St. Andrews around 93 i think, it was awesome, and MBV was THE LOUDEST band to date that I have ever heard play.

back on topic.
I haven't seen anyone voice their concerns for safety (maybe it's there somewhere) .. Let's say this passes, and MTB'rs have to share our current bike paths with equestrians. It seems to me that a biker flying up behind a horse is going to spook the horse causing someone to get injured; either the horse, the horse rider getting bucked/thrown off, or the biker getting kicked in the face by an iron shoe. why is it that the most basic fundamental item seems to be overlooked by the people writing the bill/law etc? That seems completely absurd to put up such a request to think that sharing a bike path would be acceptable. I can't see a horse rider even thinking that would be a fun thing to have to deal with. I know if I owned a horse, and went riding at say Maybury where the trails are separate, I wouldn't want to take my animal on a trail where a biker could fly up on me (most likely on accident) causing possible injury. Heck, some bikers bring their dogs to run next to them, could you imagine that scenario?

I can't even believe this law/bill is even being considered.

[irishpitbull]

Another question I have is where is the IMBA in helping out on this issue?

[Di_bear]

Click here to view the most recent thread on these new bills.

[dirt]

Another question I have is where is the IMBA in helping out on this issue?

WE are the IMBA, just as we are the MMBA. There is no us/them. If we are involved, then IMBA is involved.

Any chapter, or the MMBA (since it consists mainly of Michigan IMBA chapters) can escalate this to the regional director, or directly to Boulder, if they feel that this will help us out on this issue.