Berm trail

[TenSpeed]

I remember mentioning this to one member on this forum when he told me about them being built, and I asked if it was cleared with the park or the TC. I am pretty sure that his answer was that it didn't need to be. Apparently, it does, or they get teh bulldozed.

[jonw9]

Man, I'm hoping all of this energy can be directed to doing it right. I would love to see some sweet berms like that on certain parts of the trail that carry a little speed. It's the little thing like that keep me motivated on the trail. Some of the jumps that were on the original trail have eroded to the point that I'm betting no one on the board here remembers them. Maybe this will be the year that Burchfield goes back on the short list of trails for riders to hit.

I hope the enthusiasm shown building bandit features and complaining about "hoops" can be applied to the trail days used to maintain the trails and features. Maybe will will set a record and have 5 people show up....

[xcrdr]

Hoops are worth it if the end result can be sustained. As for the wish of 5 showups, I'm sure I will not be on the list unless my work schedule gets a little better this year.

[TenSpeed]

I would love to get out and help this year.

[Biggredd911]

I only get on this website maybe twice a month but a fellow member told me I should do a follow up on this topic.
Apparently I slid my hand too far up some skirts

Update:

1. I did none of the improvements/bandit building to the berm trail

2. Stating -the park manager got angry because he was not informed of the changes so he destroyed them- kind of bolsters my theory of him going on his bulldozing power-trip. I can just hear him, "NO! It's all mine! You can't touch it! Changes scare me!"

3. And finally- Nobody used this trail until the berms were built. period

Anyhoo, I guess I should stop speaking my mind. Apparently some just can't handle it. Don't worry about dealing with my "attitude" much longer; obviously, I won't be renewing my membership.

[TenSpeed]

You obviously have get these types of things cleared through the proper channels, or they will be destroyed. That is no power trip, that is how things operate. You can't start building a house in the middle of the street.....

You can speak your mind, but be prepared to face the consequences, as you can clearly see. Not everyone will agree with how you see things, or how you feel that they should be. That is just a fact of life, and if you can't handle that, you should take some time to do some self evaluation.

[xcrdr]

I only get on this website maybe twice a month but a fellow member told me I should do a follow up on this topic.
Apparently I slid my hand too far up some skirts

Update:

1. I did none of the improvements/bandit building to the berm trail

2. Stating -the park manager got angry because he was not informed of the changes so he destroyed them- kind of bolsters my theory of him going on his bulldozing power-trip. I can just hear him, "NO! It's all mine! You can't touch it! Changes scare me!"

3. And finally- Nobody used this trail until the berms were built. period

Anyhoo, I guess I should stop speaking my mind. Apparently some just can't handle it. Don't worry about dealing with my "attitude" much longer; obviously, I won't be renewing my membership.

Just something to keep in mind. This site has nothing to do with MMBA membership. You do not have to be a member to be a user on this site. I am a member mostly because we need a larger voice. We need numbers and representation to maintain what we have, let alone build anything new. Our trails are under attack all the time from urban sprawl, other user groups and of course litigation happy lawyers. If you chose not communicate with other users on this board so be it. I would hope that you continue to be a member and a voice. Otherwise, if we lose stunts that we have built or entire trails, you will have no one to blame but yourself.

[jonw9]

I only get on this website maybe twice a month but a fellow member told me I should do a follow up on this topic.
Apparently I slid my hand too far up some skirts

Update:

1. I did none of the improvements/bandit building to the berm trail

2. Stating -the park manager got angry because he was not informed of the changes so he destroyed them- kind of bolsters my theory of him going on his bulldozing power-trip. I can just hear him, "NO! It's all mine! You can't touch it! Changes scare me!"

3. And finally- Nobody used this trail until the berms were built. period

Anyhoo, I guess I should stop speaking my mind. Apparently some just can't handle it. Don't worry about dealing with my "attitude" much longer; obviously, I won't be renewing my membership.

1) Sorry if it was implied that you did work at Burchfield. By the amount of fuss about the hoops necessary to build such a feature, one could easily assume you had involvement.

2) Weird, somebody should complain about the park manager MANAGING THE PARK! Be it berms, a tree fort, or picnic table, it it doesn't belong it will be removed.

3) I have not been out there this winter, but do you know for a fact that NO cross country skier has been down that trail in the last several months?

I think we were responding to your comments, and your outright exaggerations about the "hoops" to get such a feature approved. I don't think you were being attacked in any way. I am also sorry that the loss of a couple piles of dirt are enough to change your opinion of an organization as a whole, and you consider what the group has done for the trails at that park, and within the state.

XCRDR has it right, but if you want to "quit" then it is your choice.

[Overdrive]

Roll back a year pre-berms, I think it may have been Jon who helped me cut and drag out some of the tree that's over an early part on that section of trail. It was impassible much of that summer and I use it heavily leading up to CX season. So wanted to clear it. So was it used much pre-berm? No, but I rode the heck out of it on the CX bike and also XC ski on it.

Berms: I enjoyed them but hey, it brought a bunch of riding to a piece of trail that wasn't on it before. ; )

Berm removal: they were not taken out all that cleanly and the results to the trail bed left it in nasty shape for both biking AND XC skiing. I've skied through there this winter and it's pretty rough. Probably would have been smoother with the berms there, enough room to get by and all. However they apparently went in w/o prior park okay. So they took em out. Makes sense. However, the resulting trail condition is going to need some love once the snow is off there. It's a mess.

It was a LOT of years and a lot of work WITH the park to begin to even allow bikes in there. The little slalom cut through the pines (a section most of you probably don't even ride), yeah, that WAS a huge deal to get that put in there. It was the first bit of 'trail building' allowed and pre-dates all the named sections by some years. Park was okay with how things were going, so more meetings by more folks = permission to build new trails that went in a few years ago plus stunt stuff. It can all go away a lot faster than it was permitted. Right now I'm pretty excited that after years of not much in the way of local riding we're up to three options and would like to keep all of those available.

It takes all of us, working together and with the various land-managers at each location, to obtain, build and maintain the trails and access to them.
So hope to not loose any riders or trail help, we need everyone.

[TenSpeed]

I only get on this website maybe twice a month but a fellow member told me I should do a follow up on this topic.
Apparently I slid my hand too far up some skirts

Update:

1. I did none of the improvements/bandit building to the berm trail

2. Stating -the park manager got angry because he was not informed of the changes so he destroyed them- kind of bolsters my theory of him going on his bulldozing power-trip. I can just hear him, "NO! It's all mine! You can't touch it! Changes scare me!"

3. And finally- Nobody used this trail until the berms were built. period

Anyhoo, I guess I should stop speaking my mind. Apparently some just can't handle it. Don't worry about dealing with my "attitude" much longer; obviously, I won't be renewing my membership.

1) Sorry if it was implied that you did work at Burchfield. By the amount of fuss about the hoops necessary to build such a feature, one could easily assume you had involvement.

2) Weird, somebody should complain about the park manager MANAGING THE PARK! Be it berms, a tree fort, or picnic table, it it doesn't belong it will be removed.

3) I have not been out there this winter, but do you know for a fact that NO cross country skier has been down that trail in the last several months?

I think we were responding to your comments, and your outright exaggerations about the "hoops" to get such a feature approved. I don't think you were being attacked in any way. I am also sorry that the loss of a couple piles of dirt are enough to change your opinion of an organization as a whole, and you consider what the group has done for the trails at that park, and within the state.

XCRDR has it right, but if you want to "quit" then it is our choice.

Worst place for a typo. Just sayin.

[mjpo]

I wish I had the time and energy to adequately reply to this thread. And the patience. Real quick note. If I ever told anyone it was ok to build a berm ( I don't think I did), then I was not clear on where it would be. I NEED berms on another trail. Anyone interested in helping out? PM me and I can get you lined up.

[jonw9]

Worst place for a typo. Just sayin.

Fixed, thanks.

[jonw9]

I wish I had the time and energy to adequately reply to this thread. And the patience. Real quick note. If I ever told anyone it was ok to build a berm ( I don't think I did), then I was not clear on where it would be. I NEED berms on another trail. Anyone interested in helping out? PM me and I can get you lined up.

Is this in "Field 1" when you come out of the pines? There is a line of rocks the kinda showing where a berm would/should be.

[dauber76]

If they were removed because they were ski trails than that is a legit reason. I still however have to question this because no work was done to the actual trail, simply the berms were built on the outside corners of that trail that did have very slip out type turns. If the trail was previously used as a ski trail and that ski trail wasn't actually changed I would think you could still ski on it?

Anyways the trail is gone. I hope this build can serve as a future plateau for the up and coming season. I expect the midstate mmba tc doing everything they can next year to build up new stunts and actually make them good like the berms were, because that was a crowd pleaser.

And before you say well we need volunteers I have a shovel and I know some other people who are desperate for these freeride type endeavors to be brought back to Lansing.

Here you go, unless you think that there are too many hoops to jump through.

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1. Need help at Burchfield this spring. The park has dumped a bunch of dirt for us to use. The plan is to have 3 lines, all table tops. Each line will have 3 jumps in a rhythm section. One is with 5 footers, one with 3 footers, and a super easy line with 2 footers. I need shovel work to build/shape the jumps.